Showing posts with label #FlorentineFlogging. Show all posts
Showing posts with label #FlorentineFlogging. Show all posts

Wednesday, April 10, 2019

Florentine Flogging: Another Approach to Learning

From Nachtsoul:

I have been trying to get the hang of Florentine flogging after seeing it and not quite getting the hang of it, even though there have been several good visual demonstrations of it. I almost "got it" several times and then lost it again. 

I mentioned this to the teacher of a singletail class I took a couple months ago and he got me over the hump quickly and eeasily. I'm still not as smooth as I'd like to be, but I'm good enough to add it to a flogging session. 

Here ya go: I hope it helps you.

Instead of trying to grok it visually, the teacher showed me the moves and just said to remember the words "over, over, back, back" and that made it click for me. Assuming your right hand is the dominant one:

* For the first "over" you cross your right hand over the top of your left wrist
* For the second "over" you cross your left hand over the top of your right wrist
* For the first "back", you throw backwards with your extended right wrist
* For the second "back", you throw backwards with your extended left wrist

Do this slowly at first just to get the primary motions in muscle memory. Then when you speed it up, the figure eights occur naturally. I'm sure other methods of learning work great for other folks. This is what made it click for me.

Sunday, March 17, 2019

Florentine Flogging, Lesson One with Travis:

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Tuesday, August 6, 2014

Previous publicity for this event.


From Papa Tony:  Travis is an incredible teacher, and we all made progress. He taught basic Florentine Flogging, which means using two floggers simultaneously.

I don't know about anybody else, but I am NEVER going to depend so much upon one hand, ever again!  It's really nice using two.


Thanks to our gracious host slave keith, it was a warm, safe and welcoming space. As you can see in the photo above, the men were intimate, sociable and playful!

Even better, we get to practice our new skills at tonight's Hands-On Demo… RSVP to SignMeUpForEvent @ gmail.com to get the location.

Friday, December 28, 2018

Florentine Flogging, Part Two: Practical Application

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nachtsoul: So for Florentine, there’s “getting the moves down”, and then there’s “accurate targeting and control” while you’re doing it. Still working on the first part. :-). I’d be intensely curious to see some discussion about the second part… actually putting it to effective, appropriate use in a scene.


Papa Tony:

This video shows the practical application during a constantly-changing scene:



The “strike” zone never changes, no matter how advanced the play-style. We aim for the upper and middle back (where the muscles and ribs protect the internal organs). I tend not to use Florentine anywhere else on the sub’s body.

I use Florentine flogging as “spice” during a play-session. It is powerful, it is special - Most folks never get to be on the other end of two floggers, and it can be quite memorable.

In my own case, I switch from style to style of erotic touch, caressing, gentle warm-up, varying intensity, and constant variety of stimulation. I can arouse and excite using sharp, deep, cold, gentle, forcible, sadistic and hilarious styles, all in one session, switching between them from moment to moment.

Florentine flogging is just one more superb tool in my arsenal.
The Current State of Flogging In The World

If I show up at most worldwide play parties, the Flogging Tops generally use only one style of flogging: Grip the handle, throw the flogger over the shoulder, and “THWOP!” Repeat. 
  


This Top is using the “Baseball Bat Two-Handed Throw.” His arms are probably very tired after demoing at the street fair all afternoon, so that is why his other hand is helping.



Full video is here.

The video demonstrates the overhead Power Throw. This one lacks subtlety, but it gets the job done fast. Personally, I tend to use a lot more warmup before going for the gusto. Everybody has their unique, personal style.



I see this style in porn videos, too. Hot fuckin’ TOPMAN looks great, and yet has no idea what he is doing in this BoundGods video. He’s beating the kidneys, he’s striking the lower back HARD, he never checks in with the sub, and nobody has ever loved him enough to warn him against those things. And the pounding goes on and on.

It’s like he is auditioning for the movie role of a Roman Centurion. He is not being bad or wrong, He just never got the benefit of high-quality mentoring, to help him get to his next level. That’s why I post these articles.
Florentine Flogging Gets You Noticed For All of the Right Reasons

When I step up at a play-party, I show off my flexibility, sensitivity, attentiveness and expertise. The line of eager bottoms gets longer and longer, and my dance-card fills up FAST.

The primary reason why I teach my personal style is that I want folks to know that magnificent and impressive play is possible. All that it takes is practice and self-motivation. Mastering something like this guarantees instant status and respect, wherever you go. I want that for everybody.



Feedback:

nachtsoul 

It does help. Understood about the strike zone never changing… just trying to connect the dots between doing Florentine and actually hitting the strike zone. :-). So far, so focused on getting the moves right, that targeting is poor. Practice, practice, practice I guess. Fortunately, practice is fun.

Acknowledged on variety in style, too, I definitely mix things up as I go: changing intensity and technique through the session, usually - but not always - saving hard, brute force thud for the finish (when flogging), and a larger proportion of intense strikes when singletailing. I vary a lot with that to play with my sub’s refractory response :-)

It sounds like you are on an excellent path, brother. THE ONLY WAY TO ATTAIN PERFECT AIM IS THROUGH PRACTICE. So, like I always recommend, set up the pillow hooked into the top drawer on the dresser as I mention in my videos, put on a podcast over headphones (or anything that takes your logical mind out of the process), and work on your muscle memory.

By practicing. Just a few hours of focused, intentional practice can make all of the difference.
The Desired Strike Zone

When I am teaching singletail whipping, I insist upon flawless aim by having the protégé Sir set the goal of “spreading” and “fanning” the strikes. The following area is what is struck by Florentine flogging:



The goal is to create a perfect pattern such as this one, for a sub who is standing. Obviously, this shows the result from singletail work. Flogging doesn’t make these kinds of marks. I only include it for the sake of clarity on the desired strike-zone.

The bottom MUST have an upper-body angle of at least 45 degrees for Florentine work, when standing. Otherwise, you are hitting the shoulders and neck. This is never good.

What helps with learning Florentine at the stage where you are, is to listen for the RHYTHM. If every strike makes noise, and the pattern is even, you’ve learned it.

As always, if anybody wants personal coaching via Skype, I am always happy to give tips. I want everybody to succeed.

Public Scene at the Faultline in LA, with Videos

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Papa Tony:  I was invited to do a flogging performance at the Faultline Bar in Los Angeles. I asked a buddy to video-capture some of the goings-on. The occasion was the monthly fund-raiser for the Tom of Finland Foundation, hosted by, among others, Marc Randell Bellenger.

Photos with text saying “TOM’s Garage!” are by Motorboot Photography.




My handsome play-partner is the well-known performer Christian Mitchell.

 

He is a pleasure to play with, and brilliantly creative! I was ably assisted by my good friend Sir Gerald. We were the tallest men in the bar, towering over poor, helpless Christian!



Marc, our host for the event.



Plain, Simple Flogging

The flogger that I am using is the Original Mister Thuddy from FlogMeBaby.com, and it’s currently selling for 45 bucks. I have owned dozens. Why so many? Because I teach Tops. I will loan a flogger to a new Dom, and teach them to use it, and then I watch to see what happens.

If they go forth and start thrilling the public with their practiced skills, I will create an impromptu ceremony, praising them publicly, and presenting them with the flogger. As a Tribal Elder, I see it as a crucial part of supporting a healthy Tribe. Generations of happy bottoms will thank me, long after I’m dead!

Here’s my video of basic flogging, and the review of the Thumper flogger in use at this event.

If I had to give away all but one toy, this is the one that I would keep.

If you are looking for something shorter (for smaller Doms), I strongly recommend the Napoleon.



Florentine Flogging




I always like to include some Florentine flogging (using two at once). It’s a real crowd-pleaser.

Here is the video that shows them flying around, during this event.






Spanking





I just HAD to include some spanking, too - With a pretty ass like that, can you blame me?





Dragon’s Tongues



Here is a clearer view. They are in between a flogger and a single-tail whip in intensity.

I also (briefly) used a single-tail whip, but it was hell to aim properly in that dark bar.

So, we gave up fast, for safety’s sake..



Flame Whip



Fiber-optic, digital “Flame Whip” (that’s just my nickname - they are actually called “Space Whips”). I only used one, because the other one is in repair - the digital circuit-board malfunctioned, and it is being replaced for free.

Here is the video, showing it in use.








Saturday, August 15, 2015

Florentine Flogging, for Visual Learners

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Papa Tony:

I struggled to learn Florentine flogging for months.  This involves using two floggers at the same time. I finally found the ideal way for me to "get it", within five minutes, so I'm passing it along.  It may not work for you, but then, it just might.  If not, then see the end of this article for step-by-step instruction links.



The Two-Beat Weave


Let's start simple, with a two-beat weave. I left my hands empty, on purpose.  Sit back and move your hands in the same way, as if I were your mirror-image.  KEEP DOING IT, even after you can do it perfectly.  The more that you do it, the more that it becomes muscle-memory.

In my primary instructional video, I am teaching how to do a Figure Eight motion with a flogger.  All that I am doing HERE, is doing Figure Eights with both hands.  One hand follows the other.

For decades, I told myself that there was NO way that I could do Florentine Flogging, because my left hand is so useless.  Turns out, I was wrong.



Travis teaches the Three-Beat Weave (Florentine Flogging)

The Three-Beat Weave is the same as the Two-Beat Weave, but with an extra motion on each side. It's actually quite simple to switch between the two, once you become accomplished with them both.  You can watch me switching between them in this video, around the 8-minute mark.

I have found that I learn best by creating an endless loop of the necessary moves (such as with the animated GIFs below), displaying it BIG on my computer screen, and then doing it along with the instructor.  You don't even have to have anything in your hands.

As a result, I picked up Florentine 3-beat weaves INSTANTLY, rather than struggling for a month and a half.  I’m a visual learner.


The following are the video-clips that I learned from, with the help of my dear brother Travis. This is a video from his earliest attempt to teach.  He has gotten MUCH more smooth in his teaching-style since then.

Front View - Click on image to zoom in.

Side View

I laughed when I was video-capturing, and Travis was puzzled.  I thanked him for fanning me so nicely on a hot day!




Here is a video with my friend 
demonstrating Florentine flogging in HIS style (YouTube link is here, if you need it).
It's rather advanced, but he's still awesome to observe.
I throw in some flogging tips of my own, at the end.



Shopping Tips


I have owned dozens of Thumper floggers, identical to this one.

Ideally, if you find that you can learn this style of flogging, it’s a good idea to have two matched floggers.  If you want to get GREAT floggers for a fraction of the usual cost, may I recommend getting two of the Thumper floggers at FlogMeBaby.com.  They are $30 each, and come in different colors, versus $180 each, for the same weight and durable quality, anywhere else.

Alternatively, if you are NOT a huge, strong man like me, these floggers might wear your arms out very quickly.  In that case, scroll further down the same page and get any of the $19.95 "Dungeon Master" floggers (differing only in colors).

Expensive flogger

I own many, many floggers, including a $350 flogger(!) that is of the same weight and balance as the Mr. Thuddy (it was made for me, with an intricate handle, for formal occasions).  I see zero difference in actual USE between the $45 flogger and the $350 flogger.  Save your money!



Miscellaneous Notes about Florentine Flogging:

I make no pretense about knowing everything on this topic. All that I have is my own experience.

For years, I had myself 100% convinced that I'm utterly right-handed, with no useful ability to use my left hand. I would insist "I'm NOT ambidextrous!"  I was wrong.  I picked up Florentine flogging in a miraculously short time, using the technique listed above.  Sure, I was clumsy with my aim at first, but practice fixed that.

Now that I know Florentine flogging so well, I kinda prefer it to using just one.  It's amazing what you can do with it.