Showing posts with label #Flogging. Show all posts
Showing posts with label #Flogging. Show all posts

Sunday, March 17, 2019

Florentine Flogging, Lesson One with Travis:

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Tuesday, August 6, 2014

Previous publicity for this event.


From Papa Tony:  Travis is an incredible teacher, and we all made progress. He taught basic Florentine Flogging, which means using two floggers simultaneously.

I don't know about anybody else, but I am NEVER going to depend so much upon one hand, ever again!  It's really nice using two.


Thanks to our gracious host slave keith, it was a warm, safe and welcoming space. As you can see in the photo above, the men were intimate, sociable and playful!

Even better, we get to practice our new skills at tonight's Hands-On Demo… RSVP to SignMeUpForEvent @ gmail.com to get the location.

Sunday, March 3, 2019

Digital LED and Fiber-Optic Kinky Play, With Poi

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Demonstrated at the 2014 Leather Fetish Ball in San Diego.  The goal was to put on a show that nobody had ever seen before.  Based on the screaming and commentary in the video, our mission was accomplished.  Before starting, I asked the lighting-guy to turn off ALL lights in the auditorium.  It took some convincing, but we got our wish.

We were wearing cheap light-up crap from the Dollar Store (all of it made in China).  We attached it with clear packing-tape.  Halloween season is a good time to hit the Dollar Stores in your area, for the battery-powered, light-up-in-the-dark stuff.

We started with regular, leather floggers with inexpensive fiber-optic toys attached.  Then, we went HARDCORE about halfway through:



Fiber Optic "Flame Whips”


David and I are demonstrating Three-Beat Weaves at the big event, in front of 300 astonished people.  
Full video is here - YouTube version is here. It starts getting VERY interesting at 2.5 minutes. 
Watch for Sir David (green harness) doing a 4x4 Fountain, right before the 4-minute mark.
We didn't practice onstage beforehand, which is why I was losing the war with the curtain, in my PINK harness!



Hardware, Explained

No, there are no actual "flames" involved.  Each flogger is a bundle of fiber-optics, attached to a flashlight handle that has at least two dozen programmable modes.  

Do NOT do this to somebody's bare skin, unless they are a serious Pain Pig.  If I am demoing on an average person, I make them wear a vest!  The fibers are sharp and painful, like many single-tail whips at once!



Where to get the toys… 

This is BETTER (and less expensive) than what we used onstage at the Leather Fetish Ball:



This is what I recommend getting, because the default fibers are too stiff by far, and too long, usually.  the 6-footers are unbelievably unusable.



Technical Poi

Polynesian Poi Dancers at a Luau

Florentine-style moves have a long, LONG history OUTSIDE of the kinky scene.  There are many HUNDREDS of techniques that are part of the ancient art of "Technical Poi".  Here is a wonderful video that shows the potential for wowing the hell out of folks when performing in public.

Some other two-flogger moves that can impress your friends at the next Kinky Play Party (preferably with a high roof, and some lit-up toys):

Two-Beat Weave
Three-Beat Weave (in case the instructions above don't work well for you).
Four-Beat Weave
Five-Beat Weave
Seven-Beat Weave (great for young, flexible types!)
4x4 Fountain (alternate tutorial)

Video: Sebastian's Flogging Demo, SDLFB 2019

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Note from Papa Tony:  I like to post these Demo Videos because I am a visual learner.  I could try to learn something physical (swimming, rollerblading, kinky techniques) by reading a technical manual, but that is not how my brain works.  I learn best by watching somebody who knows what they are doing.  As time goes by, I will be posting nearly a hundred videos like this one, for the benefit of folks all over the world.








The San Diego Leather Fetish Ball is an annual social gathering that always sells out the venue.  During the course of the evening, talented folks who like to show off their kinky abilities are invited to give short demos for the entertainment of others.


In this particular video, the very talented Sebastian demonstrates his unique flogging style on Slave Bob.  I taught Sebastian flogging a long time ago, and I make no claim to his talents - That's all HIM. I have taught literally thousands of people over the decades, and nobody does it like our Sebastian!

Sebastian switches hands fluidly in a very ambidextrous way, and switches toys.  He chose Bob as his Demo Bottom because Bob is a superb submissive who has authentic and erotic reactions that make ANY Flogging Top go wild!

The toy that makes the loud "THWOP!" sound is a custom-made beaver pelt flogger with a handle.  I have no idea where to get one, but any competent kinky-toy manufacturer on Etsy could make one for you.  In concept, it's a furry Dragon's Tongue.

Friday, December 28, 2018

Flogger Cleaning and Storage

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Thank you for your recent post about low cost high quality floggers. I may have to invest in a new one thanks to you. Your post did also bring up a question I have regarding floggers, what is the best way to clean them after use? I always hang my flogger up vertically when not in use, and after using it on a boy I mist/spray it down with isopropyl alcohol. While I’m sure this will disinfect the flogger, i’m not sure if this is the best way to clean it. Any advice?
Papa Tony:

This web page speaks for me when it comes to cleaning. If you are REALLY rigorous about disinfecting, then there are ultraviolet sterilizing devices designed for beauty parlors that can take it to the next level, but they are tedious to use.

Storage

I have a leather toy bag, as shown here: Toybag Tour, Thud vs. Sting: Floggers and Whips and Such.

I use tall socks to avoid tangles, as that article will tell you, and why.


I ALSO store the less-used toys using inexpensive racks like the one shown above, from places like Target.com and Bed Bath & Beyond.

Florentine Flogging, Part Two: Practical Application

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nachtsoul: So for Florentine, there’s “getting the moves down”, and then there’s “accurate targeting and control” while you’re doing it. Still working on the first part. :-). I’d be intensely curious to see some discussion about the second part… actually putting it to effective, appropriate use in a scene.


Papa Tony:

This video shows the practical application during a constantly-changing scene:



The “strike” zone never changes, no matter how advanced the play-style. We aim for the upper and middle back (where the muscles and ribs protect the internal organs). I tend not to use Florentine anywhere else on the sub’s body.

I use Florentine flogging as “spice” during a play-session. It is powerful, it is special - Most folks never get to be on the other end of two floggers, and it can be quite memorable.

In my own case, I switch from style to style of erotic touch, caressing, gentle warm-up, varying intensity, and constant variety of stimulation. I can arouse and excite using sharp, deep, cold, gentle, forcible, sadistic and hilarious styles, all in one session, switching between them from moment to moment.

Florentine flogging is just one more superb tool in my arsenal.
The Current State of Flogging In The World

If I show up at most worldwide play parties, the Flogging Tops generally use only one style of flogging: Grip the handle, throw the flogger over the shoulder, and “THWOP!” Repeat. 
  


This Top is using the “Baseball Bat Two-Handed Throw.” His arms are probably very tired after demoing at the street fair all afternoon, so that is why his other hand is helping.



Full video is here.

The video demonstrates the overhead Power Throw. This one lacks subtlety, but it gets the job done fast. Personally, I tend to use a lot more warmup before going for the gusto. Everybody has their unique, personal style.



I see this style in porn videos, too. Hot fuckin’ TOPMAN looks great, and yet has no idea what he is doing in this BoundGods video. He’s beating the kidneys, he’s striking the lower back HARD, he never checks in with the sub, and nobody has ever loved him enough to warn him against those things. And the pounding goes on and on.

It’s like he is auditioning for the movie role of a Roman Centurion. He is not being bad or wrong, He just never got the benefit of high-quality mentoring, to help him get to his next level. That’s why I post these articles.
Florentine Flogging Gets You Noticed For All of the Right Reasons

When I step up at a play-party, I show off my flexibility, sensitivity, attentiveness and expertise. The line of eager bottoms gets longer and longer, and my dance-card fills up FAST.

The primary reason why I teach my personal style is that I want folks to know that magnificent and impressive play is possible. All that it takes is practice and self-motivation. Mastering something like this guarantees instant status and respect, wherever you go. I want that for everybody.



Feedback:

nachtsoul 

It does help. Understood about the strike zone never changing… just trying to connect the dots between doing Florentine and actually hitting the strike zone. :-). So far, so focused on getting the moves right, that targeting is poor. Practice, practice, practice I guess. Fortunately, practice is fun.

Acknowledged on variety in style, too, I definitely mix things up as I go: changing intensity and technique through the session, usually - but not always - saving hard, brute force thud for the finish (when flogging), and a larger proportion of intense strikes when singletailing. I vary a lot with that to play with my sub’s refractory response :-)

It sounds like you are on an excellent path, brother. THE ONLY WAY TO ATTAIN PERFECT AIM IS THROUGH PRACTICE. So, like I always recommend, set up the pillow hooked into the top drawer on the dresser as I mention in my videos, put on a podcast over headphones (or anything that takes your logical mind out of the process), and work on your muscle memory.

By practicing. Just a few hours of focused, intentional practice can make all of the difference.
The Desired Strike Zone

When I am teaching singletail whipping, I insist upon flawless aim by having the protégé Sir set the goal of “spreading” and “fanning” the strikes. The following area is what is struck by Florentine flogging:



The goal is to create a perfect pattern such as this one, for a sub who is standing. Obviously, this shows the result from singletail work. Flogging doesn’t make these kinds of marks. I only include it for the sake of clarity on the desired strike-zone.

The bottom MUST have an upper-body angle of at least 45 degrees for Florentine work, when standing. Otherwise, you are hitting the shoulders and neck. This is never good.

What helps with learning Florentine at the stage where you are, is to listen for the RHYTHM. If every strike makes noise, and the pattern is even, you’ve learned it.

As always, if anybody wants personal coaching via Skype, I am always happy to give tips. I want everybody to succeed.

Public Scene at the Faultline in LA, with Videos

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Papa Tony:  I was invited to do a flogging performance at the Faultline Bar in Los Angeles. I asked a buddy to video-capture some of the goings-on. The occasion was the monthly fund-raiser for the Tom of Finland Foundation, hosted by, among others, Marc Randell Bellenger.

Photos with text saying “TOM’s Garage!” are by Motorboot Photography.




My handsome play-partner is the well-known performer Christian Mitchell.

 

He is a pleasure to play with, and brilliantly creative! I was ably assisted by my good friend Sir Gerald. We were the tallest men in the bar, towering over poor, helpless Christian!



Marc, our host for the event.



Plain, Simple Flogging

The flogger that I am using is the Original Mister Thuddy from FlogMeBaby.com, and it’s currently selling for 45 bucks. I have owned dozens. Why so many? Because I teach Tops. I will loan a flogger to a new Dom, and teach them to use it, and then I watch to see what happens.

If they go forth and start thrilling the public with their practiced skills, I will create an impromptu ceremony, praising them publicly, and presenting them with the flogger. As a Tribal Elder, I see it as a crucial part of supporting a healthy Tribe. Generations of happy bottoms will thank me, long after I’m dead!

Here’s my video of basic flogging, and the review of the Thumper flogger in use at this event.

If I had to give away all but one toy, this is the one that I would keep.

If you are looking for something shorter (for smaller Doms), I strongly recommend the Napoleon.



Florentine Flogging




I always like to include some Florentine flogging (using two at once). It’s a real crowd-pleaser.

Here is the video that shows them flying around, during this event.






Spanking





I just HAD to include some spanking, too - With a pretty ass like that, can you blame me?





Dragon’s Tongues



Here is a clearer view. They are in between a flogger and a single-tail whip in intensity.

I also (briefly) used a single-tail whip, but it was hell to aim properly in that dark bar.

So, we gave up fast, for safety’s sake..



Flame Whip



Fiber-optic, digital “Flame Whip” (that’s just my nickname - they are actually called “Space Whips”). I only used one, because the other one is in repair - the digital circuit-board malfunctioned, and it is being replaced for free.

Here is the video, showing it in use.








Flogging With Intention - Horizontal Style

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Anonymous said: Dear Sir, I recently flogged a sub for the first time. (Your video on flogging helped tremendously) However, this sub can’t stand for long periods of time and asked to continue while he lay on the bed. We did, but it was difficult for me to find a good angle to hit him. How should I be flogging someone who’s horizontal?

Papa Tony:

Thanks for pointing this out. I hadn’t realized that I had never covered horizontal flogging before. I am glad to have a chance to cover the topic.


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I HAVE covered horizontal techniques in my Tommy Tomcat instructions, and they would work just as well for a flogger or other long toy like a Dragon’s Tongue. However, for today’s lesson, I will go in an entirely different direction:

Years ago, I attended the Butchmanns Experience in Arizona. The presenter and I had a loud disagreement. He felt that HIS way of flogging was the only valid, worthwhile way to do it, and that my Advanced Seduction Style (which has made me legendary in a lot of cities) had zero value.

I was indignant, and feeling pretty self-righteous. It was fun to lock horns, but I had to let go, let the lesson flow, and LEARN what he brought.

As it turned out, I LOVED what style he actually favored. I have added it to my repertoire. He no longer teaches there, but he called his horizontal style “Flogging With Intention.”

As I remember his instructions, it is the polar opposite of the style that I teach. There is no actual touching or caressing. No verbal contact, either. Those are distractions that must be eliminated. The impact is all. A typical scene goes on and on for around thirty minutes, instead of my typical ten or fifteen.

No matter how the sub sends his usual nonverbal signals (shifting position, soft noises), keep going. Resist the urge to relate to the sub. Become a Flogging Machine. Follow your own intensity and patterns. Ignore theirs. It shifts the experience into a different dimension.

The idea is to take the sub and drop them HARD into Bottom Space. I’ve seen subs blacking-out from being flogged in this manner, but never from stress. Their muscles relax, and the breathing abruptly shifts from ragged and intense, to blissfully calm. They just CONK out. They may only be under for ten minutes or less, but they can never guess how long they were out… “A few hours?”

It truly is transcendent.

I’m NOT going to give up being a Fancy Dan Flogmeister most of the time, but I am proud to say that I can be flexible in my learning.
August 29th, 2018 11:10am

Tuesday, December 25, 2018

Toybag Tour, Thud vs. Sting: Floggers and Whips and Such

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Anonymous: What would you say is a good implement scale for impact play? Like, the farther up the scale the more intense it is.


Papa Tony:

Funny that you should ask. I periodically design toys for FlogMeBaby.com - I have NO financial connection with them. Not a single penny. I do this work because I want new Doms to build their own toy bag with solid-quality toys without having to go broke doing it.

 

I invented a two-sided scale for them that shows where a particular toy fits between STING and THUD. You can see it on the upper left, in pink.

That scale has proven to be a very practical way to make valid shopping decisions without being able to actually try out the toy first.

I admire craftspeople who hand-craft exquisite, expensive ($300-$500) floggers. I have owned a bunch over the years. However, I like to recommend toys that are high-quality, but inexpensive. It’s awkward for a newbie Flogging Top to learn proper practices by guess and by golly, with a huge, awkward flogger (or a wimpy one, shown below) sold at the local porn emporium.

That’s why I always steer folks toward my flogging instructional video, and recommend good starter toys that will last a long time, without eliminating the Grocery Fund for a month.

I can’t tell you how many new Sirs that I have met with outrageously rough, inappropriate Instruments of Torture that they thought that might be a good choice, and then no subs will let them go for more than a few strokes… The actual goal is perfect, thrilling power-flow that fluctuates smoothly as the circumstances allow.



This is my leather toy bag, which is a tiny subset of my larger toy collection. I carry the bag with me when I am attending parties. It is also what the slave brings upstairs when he arrives and sets up the scene to my specifications. This is because it contains my collection of favorite, most useful toys. Today, we are ignoring the paddles, crops and canes, and discussing the floggers and whips.



I have arranged a few of my toys to illustrate the range of sensations caused by various toys along the spectrum of “Thud” on the left, and progressively more intense with the “Sting” selection on the right.

Explaining The Tall Socks



When you have a bunch of floggers in a bag or a wheeled, carry-on piece of luggage, the skinny tails can make quite a mess of tangles. So, have the submissive clean up after the scene by pulling a tall sock over the forearm until there is a “sock puppet:”


Use the “mouth” to grab the ends of the flogger tails, and then use the other hand to pull the sock over the entire flogger. Long socks like this can be found at the Junior Miss section at your local Target or Walmart.

The Bunny: Very Thuddy



Starting at the far left of the “Thuddy” side of the scale, the Bunny is made of lengths of rope, covered in bunny fur. It’s at least three decades old. How did I keep it in such great shape? I kept it away from young dogs. They ALL want to shred it!

It’s a very exaggerated toy. I would never use it on a person with a slender frame. I wouldn’t want to break their ribs! The ideal bottom for this is somebody with a wide, well-padded back.

I throw it with a two-handed, “baseball bat” throw, from the side, striking against the UPPER back. Stay far away from the lower back. This one is for piggy bottoms who can’t stand Sting, but adore Thud… the heavier the better.

The Big, Heavy Flogger



Moving one notch away to the right. This category is VERY typical of high-end, more-expensive floggers that are everywhere on the market. The one shown in the picture above cost me $350.

My recommendation for such a toy is the Mister Thuddy. I helped design it years ago. I just checked: it costs 45 bucks. Not a good beginner flogger (I have trained many hundreds of Flogging Tops), but a very nice second flogger. This is what the result looks like, after using it.

My Favorite Flogger - Medium Weight



This is the Thumper, and it comes from FlogMeBaby. I didn’t design this one, but if I had, I would not change a single thing about it. I have raved about them, in detail. If I had ONE toy in my possession, this would be the one for me, hands down. I demonstrate many, many ways to use it, here. This photo shows a nice aftermath.

If you are going to learn how to use it, start by practicing the Loose Grip, shown in the video that I just linked to. I’ve been using it for forty years, and it is the reason why my wrist and forearm don’t hurt after a long night of playing with a dozen eager subs in a bar.

This next section is the kind of flogger that I avoid:

Wimpy, Flimsy Floggers



I snagged this image off of the Internet, because I would never own floggers like these. If I win some in a raffle basket, I donate them back. You see tons of these in the local “Lingerie and Dildo” stores.

Using a lightweight toy like this in an Impact Play scene would be like using a cardboard tube from a roll of paper towels to beat somebody. There’s no release of kinetic energy, followed by increased endorphins.

On the other hand, if your goal is to get in a fight with a toddler that leaves you both giggling, these floggers are pretty nice.

The Tommy Tomcat



Going further to the right side of the scale. I designed the Tommy Tomcat for FlogMeBaby, based upon a very expensive toy that somehow disappeared from a play-party, a few decades past. I imagine that there are many hundreds of Tomcats in the world, as a result.

Imagine that you are at a kinky play-party. There is one piggy bottom that is being flogged by every Top in the building, and is still going strong when the Doms are all worn out. That is a very strong signal that it’s time to switch over to Sting as a tactic. Every time that I have tested that theory, I have been rewarded with a VERY happy bottom.

If you follow the breaking-in instructions on my page, then you will have the most accurate toy in your entire collection. I never strike any further away than a quarter-inch or so from my desired target when I am using it. It’s amazingly precise. This photo shows the aftermath of a heavy scene.

This video always gives me a thrill. Frankly, I get turned on, watching how well I use that Tomcat. I don’t usually get to see myself from such a different angle.

The Dragon’s Tongue



My two Dragon’s Tongues were hand-made by a buddy. I would love to find a more durable replacement. I will be investigating the purple and red ones that FlogMeBaby sells for twenty bucks each. Mine have been through hell, as you might imagine. I use them a lot.

They are deceptively mild as you warm up the sub, but a sharp “flick” will raise some serious welts. Definitely not to be used on beginners.

Singletail Whip



We have now arrived at ONE of the ultimately “sting-y” toys (not counting fiber-optic floggers - Those will be featured in a future article). The one in the picture above cost me three or four hundred bucks. It’s an Axel whip. Other Tops will stop me when I walk by, and they will say “Oooh! That’s an Axel, isn’t it?” It IS exquisitely made, and it throws like a dream.

HOWEVER. Again, the average beginner can’t seriously buy something like this, and trust that it’s right for them. Singletail whips are DIFFICULT to learn by yourself, to the point where other people trust you to throw whips around without damage to yourself and others.

Luckily, I have posted a Singletail 101 instructional video, for just such a purpose. Once you know how to achieve a perfect spread of singletail strikes on a pillow, you are a good bet to able to do a really good job on a human being.

For those on a budget, I have designed am inexpensive singletail that I can happily recommend. It is called the PTSM - The Papa Tony Signature Model. I just checked. It’s eighty bucks.

Again, I get no special considerations of any kind from FlogMeBaby. I just want to see more safe, fun kinky play happening in the world. It’s the Approving, Kinky Grandpa in me.

Tuesday, December 18, 2018

Public Scene: Barracks Bar in Palm Springs

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Papa Tony:
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I include this video to show my playing style when in public, and for teaching purposes. On this occasion every Daddy in the bar brought his boy over to me for flogging.  I ALWAYS include the Daddy/Master/Sir in the scene, as shown here.  This makes the scene more personal, Tribal, and less territorial.

I ALWAYS have the boy un-do his pants in a bar-play situation, so that I can expose his ass.  It’s exciting and vulnerable for him, sensual for me, and causes every other Top in the bar to become envious of my good luck.  I’m being a role-model for what happens when a man steps into his power.
My original, super-popular flogging instructional video is here.

I am using the Purple Horror flogger from FlogMeBaby.com - I use two of them at once (”Florentine Flogging”) toward the end of the video.  It’s my current favorite flogger, out of hundreds that have been in my collection in the last forty years.  It’s inexpensive, it has the perfect balance and weight for 95% of what I do, and it’s solidly-built. I have bestowed many of FlogMeBaby’s floggers upon superstar proteges over the years.

A few notes:

I have never played with this young man before.  Each time that I approach him closely in the video, I am checking-in on how he is doing, as explained in the instructional video.  That is the ONLY reason why I take the play as far as I do.  Every bottom has different thresholds, and I was tailoring the play to HIS specific abilities and limits.

Play-by-play:

00:00 - Using my beard and mustache to get him relaxed.
00:20 - Gentle warm-up. I am constantly switching between loose and firm grip.
00:25 - “Had ENOUGH?!?!”
00:40 - Spanking with a flogger.  This style keeps the tails from tangling.
01:00 - Changing the stimulation.
01:20 - Flogging while caressing… Not hitting my hand, either.
02:30 - Making him smell the leather.  NOT blocking the airflow.
03:40 - Spanking.  The goal is to build up to firm slaps, near the bottom of the ass-crack.
06:00 - GENTLE stimulation.  Exquisite on reddened flesh.
06:50 - “He loves, me, he loves me not…”
07:00 - Licking and nibbling, while using upper-body strength to grasp firmly.
07:30 - Back-slapping in a safe area of the body.
07:45 - “Drawing”on the reddened area.
09:00 - Florentine flogging.  Two-Beat Weave interspersed with Three-Beat Weave.
09:25 - Aftercare, and praise. These are essential to EVERY SCENE.